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Micro Pelton Turbine

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  1. Jokubas Mickus

    Jokubas Mickus

    Саат мурун

    Make a glider that you could launch with your trebuchets!

  2. EddyCovers

    EddyCovers

    2 саат мурун

    It would be nice if you used grams instead of newtons, it's easier to picture the weight

  3. worstthinker27

    worstthinker27

    3 саат мурун

    Just looking at the thrust equations: for a turbine driven propeller its thrust equation is proportional to V^2 while for the nozzle its thrust equation is proportional to just V. Turbine Driven Propeller Wins. Also in order to get more juice out of that nozzle, you would need to create the right pressure ratios, converging/diverging nozzle, etc. to expand the flow isentropically as close to the back pressure as possible for max nozzle efficiency.

  4. MrPashee

    MrPashee

    3 саат мурун

    Are you sure it is a good idea to place you UV 3d printer near the window in a daytime? :)

  5. AMV12S

    AMV12S

    7 саат мурун

    What about a hybrid? the air turbine plugged to a generator to charge a battery that runs a motor with the propeller 🤔

  6. Steve Lacy

    Steve Lacy

    8 саат мурун

    I wonder if using a denser gas like CO2 or N2 or Argon would help? All are fairly easily attainable at a Welding supply store. Might be a good power/weight ratio test. In fact, I wonder if putting a few grams of dry ice (solid CO2) into the canister would work out well on that front. Certainly give you more than the 30s of runtime at a fairly reasonable weight penalty.

  7. Skillful Man

    Skillful Man

    9 саат мурун

    nice work , love your data analysis

  8. Wayne Page

    Wayne Page

    10 саат мурун

    Interesting, it would be interesting to hook this up to a large pressure plenum and modulate the pressure as the form of velocity control. There might be some good reasons behind pressurizing the bottle to a max pressure and using a small pressure regulator to keep the max thrust a little bit lower and prolong the time of flight.

    • Ask to seduce Miss

      Ask to seduce Miss

      7 саат мурун

      This vid is the history of steam engines from piston to steam turbine. I expect the conclusion is a 16mm multi-stage blade set with reversing blades between them?

  9. Blood Sweat And Tears Forever learning

    Blood Sweat And Tears Forever learning

    11 саат мурун

    Incorporate a pelt wheel into a turbo, the bigger the better because the air has more time to travel through my system

    • Ask to seduce Miss

      Ask to seduce Miss

      7 саат мурун

      Wouldnt a francis wheel be the best for this? Efficient and the exhaust can be faced down to add to verticle thrust.

  10. Steven Ingram

    Steven Ingram

    12 саат мурун

    This was an interesting build. And the ribbing that you and Integza are doing towards each other is really cracking me up. LOL

  11. A Milky Way Laniakea Superclusterite

    A Milky Way Laniakea Superclusterite

    14 саат мурун

    Mechanical advantage?

  12. Skyler Roper

    Skyler Roper

    15 саат мурун

    Thank you for the videos. I think I learn more from your videos than in my high school physics class... I'm not sure what to think now that I have said that.

  13. GrenadeGod

    GrenadeGod

    18 саат мурун

    Dude, you might be the one youtuber that people watch till the end. Man keep up the good work. Love your vids ❤️

  14. Aaron Cunningham

    Aaron Cunningham

    18 саат мурун

    Great video, really interesting, but why did you say math? You’re not American and mathematics is plural.

  15. Marcos Berghahn

    Marcos Berghahn

    18 саат мурун

    It will be awesome if you connect this to a energy generator, to see how much watts you can generate.

  16. L. D.

    L. D.

    18 саат мурун

    Make the turbine so that it is integrated into the nozzle-cap so that 0 air can escape , and all is utilized in the system.

  17. George Kowalski

    George Kowalski

    18 саат мурун

    Hmm 92 percent with these Damm buckets kgkey.info/block/pZKqoLCVhtOFuaw/video.html

  18. ETHAN-JAMES SIMPSON

    ETHAN-JAMES SIMPSON

    19 саат мурун

    integza stop

  19. jrae

    jrae

    20 саат мурун

    Could you add a duct to the nozzle to create a ram like air multiplying effect?

  20. treborsnave76

    treborsnave76

    23 саат мурун

    An idea - a constant stream of air might result in some dissipation of energy as the bucket passes through. Would the concept of a timed burst of air that's synchronised to the rotational speed (think WW1 fighters with timing chains shooting through the props) allow a greater efficiency?

  21. GAME STAR

    GAME STAR

    Күн мурун

    Please make a electric motor with bell electromagnets

  22. Douglas Carvalho

    Douglas Carvalho

    Күн мурун

    The reason why the turbine is more efficient is because the 2nd and 3rd Laws of Newton. Less air mass is displaced with the nozzle only configuration, hence less force is applied and less reaction happens to the opposite direction. That's my guess.

  23. Beach&BoardFan

    Beach&BoardFan

    Күн мурун

    Wouldnt a francis wheel be the best for this? Efficient and the exhaust can be faced down to add to verticle thrust.

  24. teamidris

    teamidris

    Күн мурун

    This vid is the history of steam engines from piston to steam turbine. I expect the conclusion is a 16mm multi-stage blade set with reversing blades between them?

  25. Roberto Tarter

    Roberto Tarter

    Күн мурун

    Soooo, you reinvented the impulse turbine I get!?

  26. Leoschnardo

    Leoschnardo

    Күн мурун

    @Tom Stanton check out the aerodynamics of your newest model printed. It could have some trouble there

  27. KingCosworth

    KingCosworth

    Күн мурун

    Maximum efficiency of these turbines is when the turbines edge velocity is 1/2 of the jet stream velocity.

  28. hen ko

    hen ko

    Күн мурун

    Keep stroking the algorithms folks - by commenting. Wonderful content, from an old fellow Brit :)

  29. Dice Blue

    Dice Blue

    Күн мурун

    what about a turbine where each "blade" or "bucket" splits the airflow into two paths but the 3dprinted cross section of the blade includes a section from a tesla valve, so you take some of the incoming air and redirect it around to create a high pressure obstruction, which also pushes back pressure in the second chamber and pulls more energy out of the air slow? the problem is the time each blade is in contact with the stream is minimal, and then you have to deal with the effects it has on the rest of its journey around.. hrm

  30. Scott Griswold

    Scott Griswold

    Күн мурун

    So can we call your air optimized version the "Micro Stanton Turbine"?

  31. OmNi J

    OmNi J

    Күн мурун

    I normally watch stuff about video games and anime how tf is this in my recomended. I mean it was pretty frickin cool tho

    • hen ko

      hen ko

      Күн мурун

      Would a 90° cog ruin the efficiency? If not, you could try aiming the jet downwards and still power the propeller...

  32. Dice Blue

    Dice Blue

    Күн мурун

    5:55 YOU JUST INVENTED THE STANTON TURBINE 👏

  33. John Gamer

    John Gamer

    Күн мурун

    Have you investigated the design of centrifugal superchargers or turbo driven superchargers which are used to turn rotational energy into pressure and may be able to be reversed

  34. Dice Blue

    Dice Blue

    Күн мурун

    4:50 this video is amazing

  35. Dice Blue

    Dice Blue

    Күн мурун

    2:22 hnnnnnnnnnnnng

  36. Dice Blue

    Dice Blue

    Күн мурун

    do a dry ice engine, for a bike, craft or animatronic ED-209

  37. Rnk

    Rnk

    Күн мурун

    Prop moves more air than the nozzle, basic physics

  38. Vraj Bhavsar

    Vraj Bhavsar

    Күн мурун

    Im pretty dumb, but maybe the turbine is bigger so its hitting more air particles, and causing more air particles to push back (newton’s third law). So im guessing surface area?

  39. Richard Foulkes

    Richard Foulkes

    Күн мурун

    Hi, great video. an idea that popped into my head is to try two nozzles, above and below. not sure if the added weight will be worth it. Cheers!!

  40. ThaJay

    ThaJay

    Күн мурун

    It would be really cool to see you try a bladeless fan design! Because you're starting with compressed air, there would be no moving parts.

  41. Ethan Morgan

    Ethan Morgan

    Күн мурун

    I feel like it will end up looking like a turbo, for pressure efficiency it just needs to be fully enclosed

  42. Ryan Smith

    Ryan Smith

    Күн мурун

    @TomScott really looks and sounds different in his newer videos huh?

  43. Chad Clancy

    Chad Clancy

    Күн мурун

    Can you share the CAD files for the Pelton turbine? That thing is really cool and I'd like to try some things with it myself.

  44. Panther Platform

    Panther Platform

    Күн мурун

    Let's play _Catch the Plane_

  45. Billy Hudson

    Billy Hudson

    Күн мурун

    The reason the turbine is more efficient is impedance matching ;)

  46. Dåligt Förklarat

    Dåligt Förklarat

    Күн мурун

    Would a 90° cog ruin the efficiency? If not, you could try aiming the jet downwards and still power the propeller...

  47. Francisco Cigarro

    Francisco Cigarro

    Күн мурун

    Doesn't the air expand almost immediately after being thrown out the nozzle? The turbine utilises that momentum immediately, negating the decompression.

  48. Huzzir Zakaria

    Huzzir Zakaria

    Күн мурун

    @tom stanton, u hv a nice house especially the lawn n surrounding area... Played it over n over whenever u r around n outside the house, its just beautiful...

  49. RandomCrap

    RandomCrap

    Күн мурун

    0:45 that was so unexpected and funny

  50. Michael Bradley

    Michael Bradley

    Күн мурун

    Im just curious if you take the wheel without the casing and put C shapped casing in the base that doesnt spin, and make it only1/4 to half, so all air is kept inside until it goes 1/4 to 1/2 way around then it comes out? - just a thought

  51. Hydro Link

    Hydro Link

    Күн мурун

    Make a sistem that returns a part of the pressure to the source!

  52. MIO9

    MIO9

    Күн мурун

    7:25 For why the turbine-propeller contraption is more efficient than just spitting out the air, it is the same stuff as why turbofan engines with large fans in front is more efficient than turbojet with afterburner. The amount of force (thrust) produced is affected by 2 major factors, speed , and mass of air moved. By spitting out the air out of the nozzle, we get air on very high speed, but only a small amount of air is being ejected. However, as long as the turbine contraption converts energy good enough that it could push way more air down with slower speed that higher force can be achieved and thus more efficient.

  53. ps0705

    ps0705

    Күн мурун

    How about if you use a de Laval nozzle, would that change the thrust?

  54. Marshall Wieczorek

    Marshall Wieczorek

    Күн мурун

    try making something with an Annular Wing design!

  55. arturo de los angeles

    arturo de los angeles

    Күн мурун

    stop promoting plastic bottles , for once

  56. Deckwolf34

    Deckwolf34

    Күн мурун

    I would think that the nozzle, alone, is less efficient because the air being ejected has no solid surface direct beneath it. This causes the compressed air to spread outward, giving a third of the horizontal motion, the other two thirds becoming vertical motion and not creating force on the same axis as the measuring instrument, but this is simplified to a two dimensional plain. In reality the true horizontal motion is a lot less than on third; this contradicts your graph, but the graph doesn’t show the true horizontal motion. Your graph also includes the air being disbursed at all three dimensional angle between horizontal and vertical angles (i.e. between all 90* on the x axis set in 360* on the z axis) with each consecutive angle having decrease amounts of force from the true horizontal motion. edit: The net force of the nozzle would be a little less than 1/5 of the net force of the nozzle and wheel.

  57. scott32714keiser

    scott32714keiser

    Күн мурун

    i got a cool project for you watch this video kgkey.info/block/2Jl2bb2marCFq3o/video.html it shows the strength of 3d printed gears. you should be able to 3d print a transmission for a 1 hp. but make a manual transmission the clutch everything all plastic and working for 1 hp. it may be small but its a transmission and not all 3d printers print in plastic. and 1hp is around 700 watts for its good for a generator

  58. Ben

    Ben

    Күн мурун

    Will you be using (dry ice) in bottles to create your own pressure on demand (as a power source) ??

  59. Artem

    Artem

    Күн мурун

    love your videos! awesome!

  60. Max Khunglo

    Max Khunglo

    Күн мурун

    Can you please explain to me why the driving gear has smaller diameter and the driven gear larger diameter. Wouldn't it be much better if the driving gear > driven gear?

  61. kenneth walls

    kenneth walls

    Күн мурун

    Why don't you try reusing the air that comes out to spin another wheel, sort of how a torque convertor works

  62. oscar

    oscar

    Күн мурун

    Maybe change the nozzle size while the pressure of the bottle changes, dynamic nozzle diameter would be cool?

  63. Joe Pieczynski

    Joe Pieczynski

    Күн мурун

    There is something about the slow motion footage of the water turbine at 1:56 that just screams STAGE 2. All that exhausted energy looks like it could be harnessed on another lower turbine rotating in the opposite direction. I always enjoy your videos. They make me think.

    • ThaJay

      ThaJay

      17 саат мурун

      @Shop Tech Aren't you forgetting the rotational speed of the rotor itself? Standing next to the rotor the water seems to fall down although it shoots out pretty fast from the rotors perspective.

    • Shop Tech

      Shop Tech

      19 саат мурун

      @ThaJay Anything that can still shoot out of anything else still has velocity, or it would just fall to the earth. I think the point is to utilize the flow to its best potential, not waste 45% of it.

    • ThaJay

      ThaJay

      Күн мурун

      The whole point was to make it shoot out of the cup at zero velocity so a second rotor would not do anything if it's set up properly

    • Joe Pieczynski

      Joe Pieczynski

      Күн мурун

      @Scott Demoor Naturally at some point in this process, the fuel, be it water or air, will loose its ability to produce power, but that immediate discharge from the cup is very focused and a lot of energy just waiting to be harnessed. I'm not a turbine guy, but I think its worth exploring if it doesn't add too much weight and defeat the application parameters.

    • Scott Demoor

      Scott Demoor

      Күн мурун

      Adding a stator in combination with opposite direction rotor should greatly improve the final outcome. Ten years at G.E. making fuel controls tells me you're closer to a breakthrough than you realize.

  64. placidnitique

    placidnitique

    Күн мурун

    Your turbine is pretty cool but very inefficient! you should make somekind of turboprop engine to exploit most of the energy in your tank !

  65. Rainbows871

    Rainbows871

    Күн мурун

    The gears add a layer of inefficiency due to friction and that jazz - increasing the turbine diameter 5 times and mounting the propeller directly to the turbine would theoretically create a more efficient engine - though maybe with other downsides like size and weight

  66. Gabe McGann

    Gabe McGann

    Күн мурун

    To keep the engine running at the same RPM, you could try using a spring-compressed diaphragm in your compressed air tank.

  67. Joan Melchor

    Joan Melchor

    Күн мурун

    Random thought, is the air from flying going to interfere with the actual "engine" and if it does will you have to make some type of enclosure?

  68. jagadish s

    jagadish s

    Күн мурун

    The incomplete project video 👍👍

  69. Howie

    Howie

    Күн мурун

    A full size helicopter rotor only spins at 400rpm but the length of the rotors have the tips travelling at an incredible speed, thus the adequate lift. Just wondering how altering your rotor length would influence efficiency as well?

  70. Dhanush Gowda

    Dhanush Gowda

    2 күн мурун

    Can you build 3d manouvre gear from attack on titan

  71. Krishnendu DasGupta

    Krishnendu DasGupta

    2 күн мурун

    Awesome video. I tried tinkering with compressed air with buoyancy turbine. I felt that using buoyancy to convert energy was more efficient but havent got aroud to any mathematical calculations. Would it be possible to put my theory to test? Details of the patent are available at : patents.google.com/patent/US9627953B1/en

  72. mrgamer xylophone

    mrgamer xylophone

    2 күн мурун

    the turbile has a larger surface area

  73. zijuiy wttuy

    zijuiy wttuy

    2 күн мурун

    most people see an empty bottle optimists see a bottle of air tom stanton sees an engine powerful enough to power a plane

  74. jjoo5454

    jjoo5454

    2 күн мурун

    Use an enclosure to capture the whole turbine mechanism and leave an exhaust facing downwards, probably can convert wasted/exhausted air to more lifting power?

  75. poppa Rock

    poppa Rock

    2 күн мурун

    keep building/inventing! love your creative approach and explanations!

  76. Andrew Kiedrowski

    Andrew Kiedrowski

    2 күн мурун

    What/how do you collect and record data from the test stand.

    • zijuiy wttuy

      zijuiy wttuy

      2 күн мурун

      This pneumatic turbine should be called the Stanton turbine.

  77. Eric Bucher

    Eric Bucher

    2 күн мурун

    Years ago I thought I was going to explode an empty soda bottle by installing an air coupling fitting into the cap and hooking up to shop pressure. Imagine my surprise when it handle full shop pressure like a pro.

  78. Esteban Besaccia

    Esteban Besaccia

    2 күн мурун

    How about many nozzles in the same gear? at wich number is it more efficient to just add an extra twin nozzle-gear set?

  79. 아이디어-메이커

    아이디어-메이커

    2 күн мурун

    It's a nice air engineering.

  80. Scott Wyatt

    Scott Wyatt

    2 күн мурун

    Tom have you looked into flow choking? There is a limit to the amount of air that can go through an orfice once the flow reaches M=1

  81. Farns Worth

    Farns Worth

    2 күн мурун

    Why not try the Tesla Turbine

  82. Myles C

    Myles C

    2 күн мурун

    I saw this video the other day and I think you should try the technology with compressed air or a drone. kgkey.info/block/w4COgpu6pambk2U/video.html

  83. Click R2

    Click R2

    2 күн мурун

    .

  84. humphrey707

    humphrey707

    2 күн мурун

    Hey strange request, but Ive been watching a lotta attack on titan, and was curious how well compressed air could be used as a winch.

  85. Вася Пупкин

    Вася Пупкин

    2 күн мурун

    Seems you try to reinvent the jet turbine.

  86. William Long

    William Long

    2 күн мурун

    I think that it is because of the propeller.

  87. morgan stockman

    morgan stockman

    2 күн мурун

    Try using a smaller nozzle opening, and make the initial tube itself wider too. This might help create a higher pressure coming out of the nozzle and might help with getting to a higher rpm. This is just a theory, but I kind of want to see if it will work.

  88. electricidea

    electricidea

    2 күн мурун

    Hi Tom, at 7:24, the Graph show that you get 35 seconds of thrust out of the pressure in the bottle. I'm a little confused by that. I get 4 to 5 seconds of thrust from a system I built. In your video with the drone, the graph also shows only 8 seconds of thrust. Could it be that the x-axis in your graph is wrong?

    • electricidea

      electricidea

      Күн мурун

      @Tom Stanton Thanks for clarifying this. Calculated by simple equations, a 1mm straight through nozzle should end up with something about 0.47N thrust. I will check the thrust and duration on my setup again, but i never reached a duration above 8seconds

    • Tom Stanton

      Tom Stanton

      2 күн мурун

      The x-axis is correct because the diameter is so small (1mm). I think the nozzle I used on the gas thruster drone was 2-3mm in diameter, which is about 6.5x more cross-sectional area, hence the 6.5 x 5 = 32.5 seconds.

  89. Eddie Groves

    Eddie Groves

    2 күн мурун

    If there was some way to maintain the downstream pressure, could you improve the performance of the application? Rather than having the force decreasing over time, you’d have a more constant force which can more easily be applied to a mechanism. Something such as a pilot-operated pressure reducing valve would be cool to see but I really don’t know if this is at all feasible with air and at such a small size.

  90. Der Bibliothekar

    Der Bibliothekar

    2 күн мурун

    That Kiwi co project at the end looked sick. Wouldve loved to play with that as a kid

  91. Algomarble racer

    Algomarble racer

    2 күн мурун

    This pneumatic turbine should be called the Stanton turbine.

  92. Zoltan Bak

    Zoltan Bak

    2 күн мурун

    Also, could you use the leaving air to drive another pelton turbine?

  93. Zoltan Bak

    Zoltan Bak

    2 күн мурун

    Would it make more efficient to put wholes into the blades? So make it work similar to the air breaks on gliders?

  94. Just Harry Johnson

    Just Harry Johnson

    2 күн мурун

    Tom I'm looking for someone to maybe help out with arduino coding. Is this something you can do. If so could I have an email address

  95. Rocketplane

    Rocketplane

    2 күн мурун

    Fun fact: the turbine wheel you've created is called an "impulse turbine" and the devices that direct the flow into a gas turbine IRL are called "nozzles" even if they don't look quite as literal as what you've got going on here. If you want to increase efficiency and/or decrease mass, make the turbine inlets only as wide as or a little wider than the outlet of your nozzle.

  96. Emir Ağca

    Emir Ağca

    2 күн мурун

    Hi tom if you write discovery australia kölnbrein you see the %92 efficiency turbine type

  97. Marten a.k.a. Nirodha

    Marten a.k.a. Nirodha

    2 күн мурун

    Mr. Stanton: I would suggest you use a 4500 psi Carbon fibre paintball tank (smallest size 13 ci) and a first stage Hero reg followed by a second stage Polarstar Micro regulator. This allows the use of a LOT of compressed air in a regulated fashion. As you know this means your nozzle(s) will continously blow at the same speed rather than drop off quickly. It also means you have a lot more air to work with. When powering multiple props (which is what you aim to do with an air powered drone) you will easily create the lift needed to raise the tank and reg setup and the rest off the ground. Hanging the tank vertically below the prop level will help balance the drone while it travels upwards. Hope to see this happen in one of your follow up video’s. You really want to prove sustained flight is possible. I believe this to be the way! Kind regards, Marten

  98. Alema Zaidi

    Alema Zaidi

    2 күн мурун

    Me at the end of this video - ohh ok cool

  99. Court

    Court

    2 күн мурун

    Just a thought. The pelton wheel is driven at one or a few points and the rest of it's travel the buckets aren't producing. They are actually wasting energy churning the air. This is acceptable at the speeds it operates due to the difference in density between the driving water and the resisting air, and the buckets being small and not catching much air. When you switch to air, the turbine spins much faster. Now those buckets that weren't doing much for 90% of the rotation are catching air and working as a fan. I think to really improve it from here you will need to design a turbine that is supplied pressure on all the blades at the same time. With such a small supply, this will be tricky. I am thinking a tiny diameter to reduce the circumference, and tiny blades as all must be supplied. At this scale though you will be getting into laminar flow which behaves differently. You could also try four nozzles on a smaller turbine, but it may be difficult to make the nozzles small enough. That should reduce losses. I think you may find this book helpful. ISBN 978-0-12-415954-9 Fluid Mechanics and Thermodynamics of Turbomachinery.

  100. Vi_russ

    Vi_russ

    2 күн мурун

    I noticed that a lot of air is going into the void around the turbine blades. What if the turbine is enclosed in a closed housing so that the air moves along its entire circumference and exits near the nozzle. Also, make the outlet directed downward so that the remaining energy gives an impulse in the right direction. It seems to me that this would increase efficiency several times. Sorry for possible mistakes, I am using a translator.